dubdobdee ([info]dubdobdee) wrote in [info]diggerdydum,

this reading transgresses the notion of CANON

my good pal dr vick was at a conference on (i think) psychoanalysis and literature at the weekend (doing a queer theory reading of capt slaughterboard): she reports that there was a husband-wife paper on DR WHO which got all the academics arguing fiercely and animatedly among themselves

she said that the husband was the most nerdy who-fan you could imagine meeting and i said NOT SO and she larfed and conceded that i am surely acquainted with nerdier than he

part of the paper claimed that only with nu-who has EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE been achieved (apparently this point went uncontested) (at this point i had to explain the term "EMO" to vick)

a consensus was however reached on the worst doctor: PERTWEE!

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[info]verlaine

April 17 2007, 18:18:50 UTC 5 years ago

Pertwee isn't the worst Doctor - but his era is APPALLING.

[info]jauntyalan

April 17 2007, 19:03:36 UTC 5 years ago

i like pertwee era stories, but hate the character of the dr. more so than with colin baker

[info]verlaine

April 17 2007, 19:09:39 UTC 5 years ago

The Pertwee era had STORIES? I must have missed them amidst all the padding :P

[info]jauntyalan

April 17 2007, 19:20:06 UTC 5 years ago

in theory i like the whole UNIT setup and the earth under threat, wacky scientist etc, and even with all the padding i liked a lot of the novelisations. on telly though you've got this annoying TWAT playing the doctor that ruins it all.

[info]byebyepride

April 17 2007, 19:23:56 UTC 5 years ago

Clearly I go to the wrong conferences. Actually I have hardly ever gone to lit conferences, perhaps because I am afraid of this sort of thing going on! I was reading a psychoanalytic reading of something today and was vaguely convinced so perhaps my scepticism is retreating.

Oh sorry, this is supposed to be about Dr Who!

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[info]jauntyalan

April 17 2007, 19:29:27 UTC 5 years ago

EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE was invented after classic who was cancelled, obv

[info]nicolars

April 17 2007, 19:45:38 UTC 5 years ago

Colin Baker is the Sanjaya of Who.

[info]freakytigger

April 17 2007, 20:37:18 UTC 5 years ago

The SILVER FOX OF GALLIFREY (call him by his name) is my wife's favourite Doctor! I have never quite fathomed why, though I don't dislike him. The best Pertwee stories are terrific - the worst are unspeakable.

Current Who-fandom is very agin him, I realised when I got back into the show in the 00s. Consensus is that he has one amazing season (his first) then four awful ones. So the antipathy is based on

i. the awful ones, which are full of padding, plots that evaporate, hammery and wooden-ness (all even more than usual)
ii. sense of betrayal because of the one good season that didn't (much) suffer from this.
iii. also a sense that the Doc here is too much on the side of THE MAN and not enough a sexy space renegade. I am not sure this thesis really stands up - he spends a lot of his time shouting at the Brigadier and the various Government bods he runs into.

There are elements of Pertwee's performance that are really annoying - he's bumptious and fearfully patronising. He's also charming and convincing when he gets cross (this is a rarer attribute in Doctors than it should be.)

[info]jauntyalan

April 17 2007, 21:52:58 UTC 5 years ago

i might be wrong, but a sample poll of who-ish fandom put pertwee last at an event i was at in 96/97ish

[info]dubdobdee

April 17 2007, 22:00:40 UTC 5 years ago

wasn't there a [info]diggerdydum poll? how do you search this thing?

[info]dubdobdee

April 17 2007, 22:23:58 UTC 5 years ago

in this one jp is 5th but TB is 1st >:(

in our one jp is 6th but TB is 1st >:( >:(

(was that our only one? i'm sure i remember voting in one but i hadn't in that)

acc.wiki: "In polls conducted by Doctor Who Magazine, Baker has lost the "Best Doctor" category only twice: once to Sylvester McCoy in 1990, and once to David Tennant in 2006" >:( >:( >:( >:(

[info]jauntyalan

April 17 2007, 21:57:59 UTC 5 years ago

yeah iii simply isn't fair at all, and i'm def not falling for the 1 good season thing!

let's see... spearhead / silurians /ambassadors you are spoiling us with this death / infern(o)ally long more like. still better than the next season by the look of it. but then next few seasons after are great.

if only DI Tyler had been watching an ep of season 10 at one point.

[info]dubdobdee

April 17 2007, 20:50:41 UTC 5 years ago

i gathered from vick's description that most of the academics present weren't fans so much as people who enjoyed watching it when young -- but i didn't ask her about age-range

pertwee is my least favourite of "my" era (= the dead ones): i adored troughton at the time and was very fed up when he left and pertwee was abrasive, but (at the time) i never thought of him as "not a proper doctor", just "not a nice person" (hartnell was also "not a nice person" so the idea wasn't undoctorish)

i remember elements in pertwee stories with much greater clarity than any other era, even tho i was watching far less frequently after the first pertwee series (and to be fair, mostly the monsters and the master) -- when t.baker came along my opinion of pertwee went up a lot -- baker was (i felt) playing the doctor as an idea rather than a person, and this annoyed me (and still does); it may not be fair that i am so ungenerous towards TB's bigger-than-life geniality when i am so tolerant of troughton's borderline-twee pixyishness, but i think TB cast a bad shadow which has never been dispelled, where "goodness" and "niceness" are confused (CB tried)

[info]freakytigger

April 17 2007, 21:10:49 UTC 5 years ago

Another thing about Pertwee is that his stories stand up particularly poorly to multiple watches. Even most of his famously bad stories are quite jolly first time through, but equally most of his good ones show their joins and pads a lot more if you revisit them.

This is probably why fandom turned so against him between when I was first a Who fan (when he was revered) to now.

I always feel it's a bit unfair to demand multiple-viewing depth from TV made before the video era, though: the producers in Pertwee's day can have had no expectation that anyone would ever watch twice, and designed their serials for instant teatime good-vibes and impact (which, ratings-wise, they achieved).
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